Ryan Wilson: Looking at Brandon Tanev's value so far for the Penguins Looking at Brandon Tanev's value so far for the Penguins

In this weeks edition of RW beats a dead horse

Just mailing them in these days. In other news, who starts in goal tonight?

Seems like they way Sully has that line deployed any offence is just gravy.

He might not have the best hands but he's also on a line with a guy that can barely score into an open net.

"Tanev is having his second worst season of his career."

By what standards? The way I see the numbers (goals, assisits, points), he is having his best season. All this while being used in a shut down role.

Eleven goals is pretty good for a third line defensive player.

In this weeks edition of RW beats a dead horse
- Feds91Stammer

He also has 4 more goals and 3 more points than Domnik Simon, all while not playing with Crosby.

"Tanev is having his second worst season of his career."

By what standards? The way I see the numbers (goals, assisits, points), he is having his best season. All this while being used in a shut down role.

Eleven goals is pretty good for a third line defensive player.
- Thunderbolt

He's probably referring to his 6 goals at 5v5 (2 SHG, 3 ENG which makes 11) and his 2 primary assists vs. 9 secondary assists at 5v5, so he really only has 8 primary points at 5v5 which isn't all that great when you consider the secondary apples and ENG's, BUT the RW's writing has gotten so lazy, while yes, it is Tanev's 2nd worst season offensively, he's only played 4ish complete seasons, so it's not like 4 seasons is a ton to go off of and his lowest output season he was playing 10 minutes a night on the 4th line (51 GP). It's just a half assed writing job when you just don't care anymore. It's sad.

He also has 4 more goals and 3 more points than Domnik Simon, all while not playing with Crosby.
- abcpens10

Sure, but Simon has 7 goals to his 6 goals at 5v5 and 7 primary apples (and 7 secondary) to his 2 primary apples (9 secondary), so depending on how you value your various subcategories of points, it can skew your perception.

Whatever.

"He's probably referring to his 6 goals at 5v5 (2 SHG, 3 ENG which makes 11) and his 2 primary assists vs. 9 secondary assists at 5v5, so he really only has 8 primary points at 5v5 which isn't all that great when you consider the secondary apples and ENG's, BUT the RW's writing has gotten so lazy, while yes, it is Tanev's 2nd worst season offensively, he's only played 4ish complete seasons, so it's not like 4 seasons is a ton to go off of and his lowest output season he was playing 10 minutes a night on the 4th line (51 GP). It's just a half assed writing job when you just don't care anymore. It's sad."

So Sad.

29/80 = .3625 PPG last year
.3625*61GP so far this year = 22.1125

He has 25 points this year. Clowns can rewrite the script and make large of what kinds of points he gets while ignoring intangibles because a dynamic sport like hockey hasn't divined a way to quantify the chaos on the ice, but it just makes them look stupid. Who's to say that a secondary assist didn't require a better hockey play than a primary? Hell - sometimes it's even the tertiary pass or play that made the difference. Hockey drew the line at the two most recent touches, so we deal with it, rather than split hairs and numbers to try to prove a point (any statistician can twist numbers with such a high number of variables to "prove" almost any point).

Anyone that has watched him play all year would salute him on his hustle, relentless pressure on the defensive end, crucial and effective role on the PK, and (yes - even these) empty net goals that prevent the possibilities of comebacks. I'm pretty sure Mario stacked up empty netters too. GMJR has done well. HCMS has done well. The team is threatening for 1st in the division. Some people

This was the most pointless blog I've ever read

29/80 = .3625 PPG last year
.3625*61GP so far this year = 22.1125

He has 25 points this year. Clowns can rewrite the script and make large of what kinds of points he gets while ignoring intangibles because a dynamic sport like hockey hasn't divined a way to quantify the chaos on the ice, but it just makes them look stupid. Who's to say that a secondary assist didn't require a better hockey play than a primary? Hell - sometimes it's even the tertiary pass or play that made the difference. Hockey drew the line at the two most recent touches, so we deal with it, rather than split hairs and numbers to try to prove a point (any statistician can twist numbers with such a high number of variables to "prove" almost any point).

Anyone that has watched him play all year would salute him on his hustle, relentless pressure on the defensive end, crucial and effective role on the PK, and (yes - even these) empty net goals that prevent the possibilities of comebacks. I'm pretty sure Mario stacked up empty netters too. GMJR has done well. HCMS has done well. The team is threatening for 1st in the division. Some people
- pens_4ever

I don't think there's anything wrong with objectively looking at the roster and how it was constructed, he's really not wrong in his opinion and it's not even a hugely negative one, but it's definitely half assed.

He's probably referring to his 6 goals at 5v5 (2 SHG, 3 ENG which makes 11) and his 2 primary assists vs. 9 secondary assists at 5v5, so he really only has 8 primary points at 5v5 which isn't all that great when you consider the secondary apples and ENG's, BUT the RW's writing has gotten so lazy, while yes, it is Tanev's 2nd worst season offensively, he's only played 4ish complete seasons, so it's not like 4 seasons is a ton to go off of and his lowest output season he was playing 10 minutes a night on the 4th line (51 GP). It's just a half assed writing job when you just don't care anymore. It's sad.
- j.boyd919

I'm going to disagree to some extent. It's difficult to produce excellent content several times a week when it isn't your primary job. I can't imagine these guys make a boat load of cash when the content is largely given away for free. I still think RW is one of the best on this site.....even if I don't agree with some of his opinions. At least RW provides some supporting documentation for his premises. Most of the other writers are "fan blogs".

I'm going to disagree to some extent. It's difficult to produce excellent content several times a week when it isn't your primary job. I can't imagine these guys make a boat load of cash when the content is largely given away for free. I still think RW is one of the best on this site.....even if I don't agree with some of his opinions. At least RW provides some supporting documentation for his premises. Most of the other writers are "fan blogs".
- madmike71

Based on past work I would definitely say RW is one of if not the most talented blogger on his site, but at this point he’s producing maybe 3 quality blogs every season and maybe two every offseason that actually utilize said talent. I get the slant that he’s an armature blogger and it’s too time consuming to produce good content regularly for little to now compensation, but five good blogs a year is super low volume and I can’t call him good anymore.

If tanev and Simon were switched all season I’d think tanev (61 GP 25 points)would be around 35 points (+10 points) and Simon (61 GP 22 points) would be around 15 points (-7 points). Just the difference between Crosby to Blueger IMO. Seems the blueger line takes more defensive zone duties more then the Crosby line to. Some people disagree about face offs as well but Crosby’s line starts out from a draw with the puck 10% more of the time then Bluegers line from just winning the face offs.

He's probably referring to his 6 goals at 5v5 (2 SHG, 3 ENG which makes 11) and his 2 primary assists vs. 9 secondary assists at 5v5, so he really only has 8 primary points at 5v5 which isn't all that great when you consider the secondary apples and ENG's, BUT the RW's writing has gotten so lazy, while yes, it is Tanev's 2nd worst season offensively, he's only played 4ish complete seasons, so it's not like 4 seasons is a ton to go off of and his lowest output season he was playing 10 minutes a night on the 4th line (51 GP). It's just a half assed writing job when you just don't care anymore. It's sad.
- j.boyd919

OMG, just kill me now, please. LOL, does anyone have any useful thoughts on how to stay awake for the game tonight?? I wanna watch the new Pens!

One chart I liked that rw used a couple blogs ago was the one showing where all buffalos shots came from, showing that they were basically entirely attacking the left side. I’d like to see more of those to see if that’s a common trend trying to expose the left D or if maybe that was an out of context game for whatever reason. Maybe buffalo is a stronger lw team or something.

OMG, just kill me now, please. LOL, does anyone have any useful thoughts on how to stay awake for the game tonight?? I wanna watch the new Pens!
- Cousinskrid

Meth

Meth
- Feds91Stammer

LOL, I did say 'just kill me now please'

OMG, just kill me now, please. LOL, does anyone have any useful thoughts on how to stay awake for the game tonight?? I wanna watch the new Pens!
- Cousinskrid

Kuznetsov could show you how to stay awake.

LOL, I did say 'just kill me now please'
- Cousinskrid

Just doing my part to help.

If tanev and Simon were switched all season I’d think tanev (61 GP 25 points)would be around 35 points (+10 points) and Simon (61 GP 22 points) would be around 15 points (-7 points). Just the difference between Crosby to Blueger IMO. Seems the blueger line takes more defensive zone duties more then the Crosby line to. Some people disagree about face offs as well but Crosby’s line starts out from a draw with the puck 10% more of the time then Bluegers line from just winning the face offs.
- pens4life-66

There is nothing about Tanev's game that would leave me to believe he would produce more in any other spot in this lineup. He isn't a good passer, he isn't even a good shot. This is his worst season in terms of generating shots, shot attempts and scoring chances at 5v5.
Now I like tanev, I like his game, but he would be a huge drag to the top 6.